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Busking in Edinburgh
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Bennett
2009-03-19 16:03:30 UTC
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Anybody know if it's alright to just find a spot on the street and busk in
Edinburgh, Scotland, or do you need a license?

Also, (bonus) any restrictions on how long you can perform for or where?

Thanks!!!
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jsmwnyc
2009-07-06 23:37:42 UTC
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Post by Bennett
Anybody know if it's alright to just find a spot on the street and busk in
Edinburgh, Scotland, or do you need a license?
Also, (bonus) any restrictions on how long you can perform for or where?
Thanks!!!
Edinburgh is fighting for their rights to perform with Fringe.

Forum at Performers.net:
http://www.performers.net/forums/showthread.php?t=16146

My Post:

(Posted on FACEBOOK: Edinburgh Street Performers)

To Whom It May Concern,

My name is Josh Weiner, and I am a New York City street performer since
1990. In 1998 I visited
Edinburgh and stayed after the EJC Festival for one week. I performed
behind St. Giles Cathedral, and
the local performers were quite kind and respectful.

I would perform at times when a large group of regular acts were in queue
for the afternoon. There
was a Drum Group, a man who Stacked Dice & had a man walk on him lying on
a bed of nails. There
were dancers. Musicians. A comedian. Lindsay the rope walker/violinist was
also there.

All the performers were courteous and allowed me a fair share for the
entire week. It was an oral
agreement, with a handshake. I was, and still am, quite poor, and they
allowed a visitor from the USA
to work without fee or local harassment. I looked quite asian and young
perhaps a runaway teenager,
and there were no moments of unwelcome confrontation.

So, thanks to you, the Edinburgh performers.

I returned to the USA, and still work the street, legal in parks, even
subways without permit, protected
by the US Constitution Bill of Rights.

I also perform with two organizations: The South Street Seaport and MUNY
(Subway Performers).

The Seaport in NYC did start a $500 per performer annual request that was
stopped due to protest
and local petition (Signed by dozens of performers, professionals, local
and even Civil Liberties
Lawyers and local Union organizers like Local 802) and negotiation several
years ago. Buskers are
non-union, not on official payroll, and sign a hold harmless agreement to
work in designated
organized locations. But business certainly changed since 9/11/2001.
Many stores closed, many left the city.

I have since organized a festival, in 2005 in post 9/11 NYC. It took many
hours of calls and
paperwork, but the festival was granted sponsorship by LOMA and a banquet
was held, which was a
thank you and small stipends for all performers, and then down to business
for all the downtown tour
groups and stores in the area involved in their business networks.
Although I felt "out of the loop" of
the large business deals, I was genuinely thankful for the hands given to
poor struggling artists and
working class performers simply surviving with the skills and crafts they
still possessed.

http://www.buskersadvocates.org/saas...eetseaport.htm

The past years have been a erosion of our Busking Rights. The Season is
shorter, and the business
deals with a River-To-River music festival, or beer tent, are completely
marginalizing and
overshadowing pure Busking. Each year I send a petition for an annual
festival and it is not
considered. The property is struggling to remain in business. Our
"Busker's Hall of Fame" has left he
property. Our hours are regularly, locations on the property are blocked
due to special events and
several performers were not welcomed back onto the roster.

I was also arrested later in 2005 working with the proper MUNY permit and
held in jail for 48 hours.

http://www.buskersadvocates.org/saaNewYorkCity.html

I continue in good faith.

I am financially ruined and facing housing court to keep my apartment
(flat). I am thankful for the
smaller hats, and simply facing the reality of basic needs.

Peaceful Days & Safe Travels. I hope reading this is helpful. I hope you
win. Organize!

Both Seaport and MUNY have paid organizers who designate location and
times. There is also an
audition process. No performer accepted in the program pays a fee to work.
We get no salary, we are
not on payroll. We are a tax write off of some sort.

Sincerely, Josh Weiner, Performer 1977-2009. NYC Busker 1990-present.
__________________
Josh Weiner
Juggling & Related Circus Arts
2005 Busker's Hall of Fame
The South Street Seaport NYC
CCNY Math Ed. and Jewish Studies 2007
Just say no to drugs
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ijuggle42
2009-07-07 17:51:48 UTC
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jsmwnyc wrote:
Some depressing information.

You can do nothing in this country with out a permit or license; it is not
even technically legal to have sex with out one.

So sad!
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jsmwnyc
2009-07-07 19:49:34 UTC
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Post by ijuggle42
Some depressing information.
You can do nothing in this country with out a permit or license; it is not
even technically legal to have sex with out one.
So sad!
Huh?

No, you are missing the point.

I still perform in Parks and in New York City as a street performer. It is
protected in AMERICA by the
Bill of Rights, and is completely Legal. I was ARRESTED working with an
OFFICIAL MUNY permit at the
proper place and time.

Who cares about your heterosexual sex life??? I'm talking about basic
needs.

Edinburgh is about your relationship to your Tattoo.

Sincerely, Josh.
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charliejuggler
2009-07-07 23:03:43 UTC
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Post by ijuggle42
Some depressing information.
You can do nothing in this country with out a permit or license; it is not
even technically legal to have sex with out one.
So sad!
<looks at thread title> Eh? You're not allowed to have sex in Edinburgh?

C
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jsmwnyc
2009-07-08 00:38:56 UTC
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Post by charliejuggler
Post by ijuggle42
Some depressing information.
You can do nothing in this country with out a permit or license; it is not
even technically legal to have sex with out one.
So sad!
<looks at thread title> Eh? You're not allowed to have sex in Edinburgh?
C
You chaps are all mixed up.

Order!

Sincerely, Josh.
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Little Paul
2009-07-08 09:48:30 UTC
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Post by jsmwnyc
Post by charliejuggler
Post by ijuggle42
Some depressing information.
You can do nothing in this country with out a permit or license; it is not
even technically legal to have sex with out one.
<looks at thread title> Eh? You're not allowed to have sex in Edinburgh?
You chaps are all mixed up.
I'm as confused as Charlie - which country is this country? As your this country
might be my that country and I suspect my this country is not your this country.
Post by jsmwnyc
Order!
Two choc-ices and a zoom please.

-Paul
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jsmwnyc
2009-07-08 15:26:31 UTC
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Post by Little Paul
Post by jsmwnyc
Post by charliejuggler
Post by ijuggle42
Some depressing information.
You can do nothing in this country with out a permit or license; it is not
even technically legal to have sex with out one.
<looks at thread title> Eh? You're not allowed to have sex in Edinburgh?
You chaps are all mixed up.
I'm as confused as Charlie - which country is this country? As your this country
might be my that country and I suspect my this country is not your this country.
Post by jsmwnyc
Order!
Two choc-ices and a zoom please.
-Paul
I remember in my visit to Scotland that I went on the tour of St. Mary's
Close.
It was a sad tale, of quarantine for the poor tenement dwellers when small
pox got out of hand.
The tour guide said that they were bricked and boarded in a confined area
and died!

I didn't like that bit of history.

What's a "zoom"?

Sincerely, Josh.
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Colin E.
2009-07-09 05:27:22 UTC
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Post by jsmwnyc
Post by Little Paul
Two choc-ices and a zoom please.
-Paul
I remember in my visit to Scotland that I went on the tour of St. Mary's
Close.
It was a sad tale, of quarantine for the poor tenement dwellers when small
pox got out of hand.
The tour guide said that they were bricked and boarded in a confined area
and died!
I didn't like that bit of history.
What's a "zoom"?
It's a classic ...

http://www.virginmedia.com/homefamily/fooddrink/greatest-ice-creams.php?ssid=8

Colin E.
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jsmwnyc
2009-07-10 02:54:15 UTC
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Post by Colin E.
Post by jsmwnyc
Post by Little Paul
Two choc-ices and a zoom please.
-Paul
I remember in my visit to Scotland that I went on the tour of St. Mary's
Close.
It was a sad tale, of quarantine for the poor tenement dwellers when small
pox got out of hand.
The tour guide said that they were bricked and boarded in a confined area
and died!
I didn't like that bit of history.
What's a "zoom"?
It's a classic ...
http://www.virginmedia.com/homefamily/fooddrink/greatest-ice-creams.php?ssid=8
Post by Colin E.
Colin E.
Here in the United States it's called a Rocket:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ROCKET-POPSICLE-ICE-POP-MOLD-8-FROZEN-ICE-POPS-
NIP_W0QQitemZ180379288754QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20090708?IMSfp=TL090708184001r9965

Thanks.

Sincerely, Josh.
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n8rae
2009-07-09 08:38:01 UTC
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Post by ijuggle42
Post by Little Paul
Post by jsmwnyc
Post by charliejuggler
Post by ijuggle42
Some depressing information.
You can do nothing in this country with out a permit or license; it is
not
Post by Little Paul
Post by jsmwnyc
Post by charliejuggler
Post by ijuggle42
even technically legal to have sex with out one.
<looks at thread title> Eh? You're not allowed to have sex in Edinburgh?
You chaps are all mixed up.
I'm as confused as Charlie - which country is this country? As your this
country
Post by Little Paul
might be my that country and I suspect my this country is not your this
country.
Post by Little Paul
Post by jsmwnyc
Order!
Two choc-ices and a zoom please.
-Paul
I remember in my visit to Scotland that I went on the tour of St. Mary's
Close.
It was a sad tale, of quarantine for the poor tenement dwellers when small
pox got out of hand.
The tour guide said that they were bricked and boarded in a confined area
and died!
I didn't like that bit of history.
What's a "zoom"?
Sincerely, Josh.
You know i still have no idea what your busking problem actually was.
Were you arrested in New York or somewhere else in the USA or in Edinburgh?
Ok so free speech is protected in usa but is performing and making money
on another persons or company property? Or am i misunderstandingating you?

nathna
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jsmwnyc
2009-07-10 03:04:24 UTC
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Post by charliejuggler
Post by ijuggle42
Post by Little Paul
Post by jsmwnyc
Post by charliejuggler
Post by ijuggle42
Some depressing information.
You can do nothing in this country with out a permit or license; it is
not
Post by Little Paul
Post by jsmwnyc
Post by charliejuggler
Post by ijuggle42
even technically legal to have sex with out one.
<looks at thread title> Eh? You're not allowed to have sex in
Edinburgh?
Post by ijuggle42
Post by Little Paul
Post by jsmwnyc
You chaps are all mixed up.
I'm as confused as Charlie - which country is this country? As your this
country
Post by Little Paul
might be my that country and I suspect my this country is not your this
country.
Post by Little Paul
Post by jsmwnyc
Order!
Two choc-ices and a zoom please.
-Paul
I remember in my visit to Scotland that I went on the tour of St. Mary's
Close.
It was a sad tale, of quarantine for the poor tenement dwellers when small
pox got out of hand.
The tour guide said that they were bricked and boarded in a confined area
and died!
I didn't like that bit of history.
What's a "zoom"?
Sincerely, Josh.
You know i still have no idea what your busking problem actually was.
Were you arrested in New York or somewhere else in the USA or in Edinburgh?
Ok so free speech is protected in usa but is performing and making money
on another persons or company property? Or am i misunderstandingating you?
nathna
No, I was arrested in NYC performing with a MUNY Permit in Times Square.
http://www.buskersadvocates.org/saaNewYorkCity.html

Street performing goes back to Benjamin Franklin?

The South Street Seaport IS PRIVATE regulated tourist space.
The Edinburgh performers are facing a FEE TO WORK that I organized against
in NYC at the South
Street Seaport, with many thanks to local unions and concerned folk.

http://www.buskersadvocates.org/saasouthstreetseaport.htm

The FEE was reversed! The Management had a Street Performer Festival
called the "Busker's Fare" in
2005. I was arrested one month before the festival and held for 48 hours
while performing in the
Subway (METRO Train in NYC). The festival was June 17th-18th, performers
were all paid small
stipends, and I was grateful and thanked the sponsors of River-To-River &
LOMA.

There has not been another Street Performer festival since 2005.

Edinburgh: See EDINBURGH FRINGE CHARGING PERFORMERS!
http://www.performers.net/forums/showthread.php?t=16146

Good luck.

Sincerely, Josh.
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Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-09 18:46:53 UTC
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Post by charliejuggler
Post by ijuggle42
Some depressing information.
You can do nothing in this country with out a permit or license; it is not
even technically legal to have sex with out one.
So sad!
<looks at thread title> Eh? You're not allowed to have sex in Edinburgh?
Why, of course you are! You need something to keep the coal in. ;-)
Post by charliejuggler
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ian smith
2009-07-09 18:15:16 UTC
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Post by Bennett
Anybody know if it's alright to just find a spot on the street and busk in
Edinburgh, Scotland, or do you need a license?
Also, (bonus) any restrictions on how long you can perform for or where?
Thanks!!!
If you mean during the Edinburgh Festival, then you're home and dry, no
worries. If you mean at other times, then you should be okay as long as
you're in the "actual" city centre, the Scottish Police aren't too worried
about licences etc. if they think that the performer is a well-meaning
guy/gal entertaining the crowds. They can sometimes be not so keen on
the people who *really* need the money, homeless dudes asking for cash,
but that's another debate!
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2015-08-10 11:41:06 UTC
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Post by Bennett
Anybody know if it's alright to just find a spot on the street and busk in
Edinburgh, Scotland, or do you need a license?
Also, (bonus) any restrictions on how long you can perform for or where?
Thanks!!!
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I want to know what Josh meant by "Edinburgh is about your relationship to your Tattoo". Do you mean the military Tattoo?? Jess
r***@gmail.com
2016-03-23 23:32:51 UTC
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Im confused and need a simple answer. Basically im 16 and i need to save £123 to get onto a sign language course. I play guitar so i desided to look into busking but i dont know the ins and oyts of busking and if i need a licence is imagine that for edinburgh i would since its such a busy place but idk help?
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