Discussion:
alternatives to millet for juggling balls
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Uri Yurman
2004-02-14 16:13:10 UTC
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As you all know, almost every juggling ball / beanbag nowdays is filled
with millet (these little seeds that birds eat).

I've been making beanbags for about 2 years now. I tried different kind of
materials for my beanbags, and the ones I made with millet came out the
most confortable to juggle.

The problem with millet is that slowly (but steadily) the seeds crumble
into tiny pieces, and thus the ball becomes softer and less jugglable.
sometimes the tiny bits of millet become so small, that after a while the
balls weight less coz some bits of millet fell out of it.

the other problem with millet is that after you was your beanbag with
water, the millet becomes even weaker and after a short while the banbag
becomes super soft.

I tried other materials, each had its own problems.
I'm really looking for more suggestions and ideas for a material to put
inside my beanbags. here's a list of other materials I know of, and their
disadvantages:

plastic seeds are more durable, but they are more elastic and therefore
beanbags filled with them bounce higher when dropped (which makes them
less jugglable).

rice weights too much, has a wrong shape, has all the disadvantages of
millet, and is less durable.

sand is too heavy, and it's hard to keep sand inside a beanbag (the sand
spills out of the beanbag).

if you have any ideas, please reply.
Uri

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Tom Derrick
2004-02-14 22:05:06 UTC
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Try sesame seeds. They're quite good.

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Terry Kimpling
2004-02-15 03:12:51 UTC
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Post by Uri Yurman
As you all know, almost every juggling ball / beanbag nowdays is filled
with millet (these little seeds that birds eat).
I've been making beanbags for about 2 years now. I tried different kind of
materials for my beanbags, and the ones I made with millet came out the
most confortable to juggle.
The problem with millet is that slowly (but steadily) the seeds crumble
into tiny pieces, and thus the ball becomes softer and less jugglable.
sometimes the tiny bits of millet become so small, that after a while the
balls weight less coz some bits of millet fell out of it.
the other problem with millet is that after you was your beanbag with
water, the millet becomes even weaker and after a short while the banbag
becomes super soft.
I tried other materials, each had its own problems.
I'm really looking for more suggestions and ideas for a material to put
inside my beanbags. here's a list of other materials I know of, and their
plastic seeds are more durable, but they are more elastic and therefore
beanbags filled with them bounce higher when dropped (which makes them
less jugglable).
rice weights too much, has a wrong shape, has all the disadvantages of
millet, and is less durable.
sand is too heavy, and it's hard to keep sand inside a beanbag (the sand
spills out of the beanbag).
if you have any ideas, please reply.
I don't know how the price compares, but crushed walnut shell answers all
the other criteria you listed.
HTH
TK
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garth
2004-02-15 15:00:39 UTC
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Linseed or rapeseed as it is sometimes called (I think) makes a very
comfortable squishiness and does not deteriorate as millet does. It also
should be kept dry though and is more expensive than millet.

Catch you later

Garth
Don't forget the Eighth SA Juggle fest 15 - 22 March 2004 Hibberdene
The Jolly Juggler - Supplier of all things juggly in South Africa
55 conduit street, Johannesburg North. (open weekdays 8 - 5)
P.O. Box 1265 , Cresta, 2118.
Phone 082 4546843 fax 011 4622233
Post by Terry Kimpling
Post by Uri Yurman
As you all know, almost every juggling ball / beanbag nowdays is filled
with millet (these little seeds that birds eat).
I've been making beanbags for about 2 years now. I tried different kind of
materials for my beanbags, and the ones I made with millet came out the
most confortable to juggle.
The problem with millet is that slowly (but steadily) the seeds crumble
into tiny pieces, and thus the ball becomes softer and less jugglable.
sometimes the tiny bits of millet become so small, that after a while the
balls weight less coz some bits of millet fell out of it.
the other problem with millet is that after you was your beanbag with
water, the millet becomes even weaker and after a short while the banbag
becomes super soft.
I tried other materials, each had its own problems.
I'm really looking for more suggestions and ideas for a material to put
inside my beanbags. here's a list of other materials I know of, and their
plastic seeds are more durable, but they are more elastic and therefore
beanbags filled with them bounce higher when dropped (which makes them
less jugglable).
rice weights too much, has a wrong shape, has all the disadvantages of
millet, and is less durable.
sand is too heavy, and it's hard to keep sand inside a beanbag (the sand
spills out of the beanbag).
if you have any ideas, please reply.
I don't know how the price compares, but crushed walnut shell answers all
the other criteria you listed.
HTH
TK
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Uri Yurman
2004-02-15 21:53:45 UTC
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I searched the net for rapeseed, and I found something called Canola (or
canola seeds / granules). Is that what you mean?
on the other hand, I found something else called Linseed.

the canola seeds seem quite nice (judging the fact that they're miniature,
even compared to millet seeds, therefore they might make more catchy
beanbags).

where can I find what you suggest? in pet stores or elsewhere?


thanks for the reply,
Uri
Post by garth
Linseed or rapeseed as it is sometimes called (I think) makes a very
comfortable squishiness and does not deteriorate as millet does. It also
should be kept dry though and is more expensive than millet.
Catch you later
Garth
Don't forget the Eighth SA Juggle fest 15 - 22 March 2004 Hibberdene
The Jolly Juggler - Supplier of all things juggly in South Africa
55 conduit street, Johannesburg North. (open weekdays 8 - 5)
P.O. Box 1265 , Cresta, 2118.
Phone 082 4546843 fax 011 4622233
Post by Terry Kimpling
Post by Uri Yurman
As you all know, almost every juggling ball / beanbag nowdays is filled
with millet (these little seeds that birds eat).
I've been making beanbags for about 2 years now. I tried different kind
of
Post by Terry Kimpling
Post by Uri Yurman
materials for my beanbags, and the ones I made with millet came out the
most confortable to juggle.
The problem with millet is that slowly (but steadily) the seeds crumble
into tiny pieces, and thus the ball becomes softer and less jugglable.
sometimes the tiny bits of millet become so small, that after a while
the
Post by Terry Kimpling
Post by Uri Yurman
balls weight less coz some bits of millet fell out of it.
the other problem with millet is that after you was your beanbag with
water, the millet becomes even weaker and after a short while the banbag
becomes super soft.
I tried other materials, each had its own problems.
I'm really looking for more suggestions and ideas for a material to put
inside my beanbags. here's a list of other materials I know of, and
their
Post by Terry Kimpling
Post by Uri Yurman
plastic seeds are more durable, but they are more elastic and therefore
beanbags filled with them bounce higher when dropped (which makes them
less jugglable).
rice weights too much, has a wrong shape, has all the disadvantages of
millet, and is less durable.
sand is too heavy, and it's hard to keep sand inside a beanbag (the sand
spills out of the beanbag).
if you have any ideas, please reply.
I don't know how the price compares, but crushed walnut shell answers all
the other criteria you listed.
HTH
TK
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FreeJuggler
2004-02-16 06:08:17 UTC
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Post by Uri Yurman
I searched the net for rapeseed, and I found something called Canola (or
canola seeds / granules). Is that what you mean?
on the other hand, I found something else called Linseed.
the canola seeds seem quite nice (judging the fact that they're miniature,
even compared to millet seeds, therefore they might make more catchy
beanbags).
where can I find what you suggest? in pet stores or elsewhere?
Yep, Canola is another name for rapeseed. I think you might be able to
find it at a store
that sells bulk seed, perhaps for pets, I don't know that I've seen it in
my local store that
sells bulk grains. I'll have to check.




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garth
2004-02-16 07:16:14 UTC
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I buy it from a seed and feed merchant. Apparently it is mixed into poultry
and livestock feed. I am in South Africa and all our linseed is imported,
mostly from Canada. This makes it quite expensive ( 45 kg bags cost about 35
Euro) but you may find it cheaper if it is grown where you live.

Catch you later

Garth
Post by Uri Yurman
I searched the net for rapeseed, and I found something called Canola (or
canola seeds / granules). Is that what you mean?
on the other hand, I found something else called Linseed.
the canola seeds seem quite nice (judging the fact that they're miniature,
even compared to millet seeds, therefore they might make more catchy
beanbags).
where can I find what you suggest? in pet stores or elsewhere?
thanks for the reply,
Uri
Post by garth
Linseed or rapeseed as it is sometimes called (I think) makes a very
comfortable squishiness and does not deteriorate as millet does. It also
should be kept dry though and is more expensive than millet.
Catch you later
Garth
Don't forget the Eighth SA Juggle fest 15 - 22 March 2004 Hibberdene
The Jolly Juggler - Supplier of all things juggly in South Africa
55 conduit street, Johannesburg North. (open weekdays 8 - 5)
P.O. Box 1265 , Cresta, 2118.
Phone 082 4546843 fax 011 4622233
Post by Terry Kimpling
Post by Uri Yurman
As you all know, almost every juggling ball / beanbag nowdays is filled
with millet (these little seeds that birds eat).
I've been making beanbags for about 2 years now. I tried different kind
of
Post by Terry Kimpling
Post by Uri Yurman
materials for my beanbags, and the ones I made with millet came out the
most confortable to juggle.
The problem with millet is that slowly (but steadily) the seeds crumble
into tiny pieces, and thus the ball becomes softer and less jugglable.
sometimes the tiny bits of millet become so small, that after a while
the
Post by Terry Kimpling
Post by Uri Yurman
balls weight less coz some bits of millet fell out of it.
the other problem with millet is that after you was your beanbag with
water, the millet becomes even weaker and after a short while the banbag
becomes super soft.
I tried other materials, each had its own problems.
I'm really looking for more suggestions and ideas for a material to put
inside my beanbags. here's a list of other materials I know of, and
their
Post by Terry Kimpling
Post by Uri Yurman
plastic seeds are more durable, but they are more elastic and therefore
beanbags filled with them bounce higher when dropped (which makes them
less jugglable).
rice weights too much, has a wrong shape, has all the disadvantages of
millet, and is less durable.
sand is too heavy, and it's hard to keep sand inside a beanbag (the sand
spills out of the beanbag).
if you have any ideas, please reply.
I don't know how the price compares, but crushed walnut shell answers all
the other criteria you listed.
HTH
TK
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Uri Yurman
2004-02-16 22:06:33 UTC
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I'll try to see if any of the local stores have rapeseed / linseed /
canola seeds.

Thanks for the advices

Uri
Post by garth
I buy it from a seed and feed merchant. Apparently it is mixed into poultry
and livestock feed. I am in South Africa and all our linseed is imported,
mostly from Canada. This makes it quite expensive ( 45 kg bags cost about 35
Euro) but you may find it cheaper if it is grown where you live.
Catch you later
Garth
Post by Uri Yurman
I searched the net for rapeseed, and I found something called Canola (or
canola seeds / granules). Is that what you mean?
on the other hand, I found something else called Linseed.
the canola seeds seem quite nice (judging the fact that they're miniature,
even compared to millet seeds, therefore they might make more catchy
beanbags).
where can I find what you suggest? in pet stores or elsewhere?
thanks for the reply,
Uri
Post by garth
Linseed or rapeseed as it is sometimes called (I think) makes a very
comfortable squishiness and does not deteriorate as millet does. It also
should be kept dry though and is more expensive than millet.
Catch you later
Garth
Don't forget the Eighth SA Juggle fest 15 - 22 March 2004 Hibberdene
The Jolly Juggler - Supplier of all things juggly in South Africa
55 conduit street, Johannesburg North. (open weekdays 8 - 5)
P.O. Box 1265 , Cresta, 2118.
Phone 082 4546843 fax 011 4622233
Post by Terry Kimpling
Post by Uri Yurman
As you all know, almost every juggling ball / beanbag nowdays is
filled
Post by Uri Yurman
Post by garth
Post by Terry Kimpling
Post by Uri Yurman
with millet (these little seeds that birds eat).
I've been making beanbags for about 2 years now. I tried different
kind
Post by Uri Yurman
Post by garth
of
Post by Terry Kimpling
Post by Uri Yurman
materials for my beanbags, and the ones I made with millet came out
the
Post by Uri Yurman
Post by garth
Post by Terry Kimpling
Post by Uri Yurman
most confortable to juggle.
The problem with millet is that slowly (but steadily) the seeds
crumble
Post by Uri Yurman
Post by garth
Post by Terry Kimpling
Post by Uri Yurman
into tiny pieces, and thus the ball becomes softer and less
jugglable.
Post by Uri Yurman
Post by garth
Post by Terry Kimpling
Post by Uri Yurman
sometimes the tiny bits of millet become so small, that after a
while
Post by Uri Yurman
Post by garth
the
Post by Terry Kimpling
Post by Uri Yurman
balls weight less coz some bits of millet fell out of it.
the other problem with millet is that after you was your beanbag
with
Post by Uri Yurman
Post by garth
Post by Terry Kimpling
Post by Uri Yurman
water, the millet becomes even weaker and after a short while the
banbag
Post by Uri Yurman
Post by garth
Post by Terry Kimpling
Post by Uri Yurman
becomes super soft.
I tried other materials, each had its own problems.
I'm really looking for more suggestions and ideas for a material to
put
Post by Uri Yurman
Post by garth
Post by Terry Kimpling
Post by Uri Yurman
inside my beanbags. here's a list of other materials I know of, and
their
Post by Terry Kimpling
Post by Uri Yurman
plastic seeds are more durable, but they are more elastic and
therefore
Post by Uri Yurman
Post by garth
Post by Terry Kimpling
Post by Uri Yurman
beanbags filled with them bounce higher when dropped (which makes
them
Post by Uri Yurman
Post by garth
Post by Terry Kimpling
Post by Uri Yurman
less jugglable).
rice weights too much, has a wrong shape, has all the disadvantages
of
Post by Uri Yurman
Post by garth
Post by Terry Kimpling
Post by Uri Yurman
millet, and is less durable.
sand is too heavy, and it's hard to keep sand inside a beanbag (the
sand
Post by Uri Yurman
Post by garth
Post by Terry Kimpling
Post by Uri Yurman
spills out of the beanbag).
if you have any ideas, please reply.
I don't know how the price compares, but crushed walnut shell answers
all
Post by Uri Yurman
Post by garth
Post by Terry Kimpling
the other criteria you listed.
HTH
TK
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Jason Kollum
2004-02-23 14:38:11 UTC
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Post by garth
Linseed or rapeseed as it is sometimes called (I think) makes a very
comfortable squishiness and does not deteriorate as millet does. It also
should be kept dry though and is more expensive than millet.
Catch you later
Garth
This rapeseed is a natural product, correct?

Coming from a juggler who is severely allergic to millet (full blown
allergy/asthma attacks) I cannot use anything filled with millet. It
took me literally years to figure this out. I would juggle my
millet-fillet balls, and every time I got these attacks (think of a
full-blown cold in under 30 min), I always thought the area I was
juggling was not properly ventilated, it was too hot in the room, I
was overworking myself, etc.

Because of this, I constantly used millet-fillet, and finally came to
the conclusion that I was allergic to the balls. I had to sell over
30 beanbags.

I now use bags filled with small plastic pellets--I can't use anything
else.


With these other types of seeds, anybody know if they are chemically
treated beforehand? Millet is dusty, etc., and I'm sure even if it
was cleaned, I would still be allergic. I'm always trying to consider
other possible fillings to bags.

Thanks,

~Jason
garth
2004-02-24 08:18:25 UTC
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We used to have a lot of trouble with dust from millet in our workshop when
we used it. Some of my workers also suffered from allergies/hayfever while
working with it. Linseed does not give us any of these problems. I would
give it a try if I were you.

Cheers

Garth
Post by Jason Kollum
Post by garth
Linseed or rapeseed as it is sometimes called (I think) makes a very
comfortable squishiness and does not deteriorate as millet does. It also
should be kept dry though and is more expensive than millet.
Catch you later
Garth
This rapeseed is a natural product, correct?
Coming from a juggler who is severely allergic to millet (full blown
allergy/asthma attacks) I cannot use anything filled with millet. It
took me literally years to figure this out. I would juggle my
millet-fillet balls, and every time I got these attacks (think of a
full-blown cold in under 30 min), I always thought the area I was
juggling was not properly ventilated, it was too hot in the room, I
was overworking myself, etc.
Because of this, I constantly used millet-fillet, and finally came to
the conclusion that I was allergic to the balls. I had to sell over
30 beanbags.
I now use bags filled with small plastic pellets--I can't use anything
else.
With these other types of seeds, anybody know if they are chemically
treated beforehand? Millet is dusty, etc., and I'm sure even if it
was cleaned, I would still be allergic. I'm always trying to consider
other possible fillings to bags.
Thanks,
~Jason
Kokomo Juggler
2004-02-26 10:16:04 UTC
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Walnut shells work very well. You can get it a a pet store. It's used for
bedding for reptiles.
Post by Jason Kollum
Post by garth
Linseed or rapeseed as it is sometimes called (I think) makes a very
comfortable squishiness and does not deteriorate as millet does. It also
should be kept dry though and is more expensive than millet.
Catch you later
Garth
This rapeseed is a natural product, correct?
Coming from a juggler who is severely allergic to millet (full blown
allergy/asthma attacks) I cannot use anything filled with millet. It
took me literally years to figure this out. I would juggle my
millet-fillet balls, and every time I got these attacks (think of a
full-blown cold in under 30 min), I always thought the area I was
juggling was not properly ventilated, it was too hot in the room, I
was overworking myself, etc.
Because of this, I constantly used millet-fillet, and finally came to
the conclusion that I was allergic to the balls. I had to sell over
30 beanbags.
I now use bags filled with small plastic pellets--I can't use anything
else.
With these other types of seeds, anybody know if they are chemically
treated beforehand? Millet is dusty, etc., and I'm sure even if it
was cleaned, I would still be allergic. I'm always trying to consider
other possible fillings to bags.
Thanks,
~Jason
Uri Yurman
2004-02-15 21:54:24 UTC
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Where can I buy these?

Uri
Post by Terry Kimpling
I don't know how the price compares, but crushed walnut shell answers all
the other criteria you listed.
HTH
TK
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Terry Kimpling
2004-02-16 13:23:18 UTC
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Post by Uri Yurman
Where can I buy these?
Uri
Post by Terry Kimpling
I don't know how the price compares, but crushed walnut shell answers all
the other criteria you listed.
HTH
TK
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=crushed+walnut+shell
shows that it is sold in pet stores as "bedding" for birds and small
varmits. Next time you are in California you can pick up a bag cheap - it
is a waste product of the nut industries (and CA being the land of fruits
and nuts).

http://www.kramerindustriesonline.com/Media/Abrasive/walnut.shtml shows that
it is used in place of sand for sand-blasting and all the benefits therein.
They also have an offer of 50 pounds free - I did not read all the details,
nor know what shipping etc. would add.

<grin>
Neat, I learned another bit of valuable trivia - next time someone at the
party starts talking about sand-blasting, I can pontificate on the values of
walnut shell.</grin>
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Uri Yurman
2004-02-16 22:05:07 UTC
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I'll try walnut shells. I've also seen another article recommending it.

Thanks for the advice.

by the way, how durable is it? I mean, does it survive for life time (like
the little plastic "seeds", or they wear-out too after a while?

Uri
Post by Terry Kimpling
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=crushed+walnut+shell
shows that it is sold in pet stores as "bedding" for birds and small
varmits. Next time you are in California you can pick up a bag cheap - it
is a waste product of the nut industries (and CA being the land of fruits
and nuts).
http://www.kramerindustriesonline.com/Media/Abrasive/walnut.shtml shows that
it is used in place of sand for sand-blasting and all the benefits therein.
They also have an offer of 50 pounds free - I did not read all the details,
nor know what shipping etc. would add.
<grin>
Neat, I learned another bit of valuable trivia - next time someone at the
party starts talking about sand-blasting, I can pontificate on the values of
walnut shell.</grin>
TK
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Terry Kimpling
2004-02-16 23:43:21 UTC
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Post by Uri Yurman
I'll try walnut shells. I've also seen another article recommending it.
Thanks for the advice.
by the way, how durable is it? I mean, does it survive for life time (like
the little plastic "seeds", or they wear-out too after a while?
Very durable - we used to take the nasty husk off by laying them in the
driveway and driving over them for a few days. That would remove the husk
without (in most cases) even cracking the shells - it is a very durable
product. I do not think juggling (or dropping) would ever wear the walnut
shell out - unless you kept putting the same fill into new bags as the old
ones wore out. You might wear out the filling if you used a fabric that
would never wear out.
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Itsik Orr
2004-02-17 04:12:54 UTC
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Sorry to butt in, seeing as I've only ever made a few LED illuminated balls
and never mass produced beanbags or anything, but buying wallnut shells and
driving over them and then collecting them seem to be a little overdone to
me. Maybe you have something against plastic pellets, I don't know, but I
simply drove over to a factory that produces CD covers, and they have these
pellets in amazingly, astoundly huge quantities. When I explained what I
wanted they were amused and handed me a bucket (plastic bag, of course) full
of the stuff, enough to make 100 beanbags, and told me not to think about
paying them (oh, did I mention my wife's mother works there?). Anyway even
without my wife's mother I'm sure you can buy these for peanuts (if not for
wallnuts) and they come prepared, last forever, don't change their form and
feel very comfortable in a beanbag (at least to me).
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Terry Kimpling
2004-02-21 22:50:23 UTC
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Post by Itsik Orr
Sorry to butt in, seeing as I've only ever made a few LED illuminated balls
and never mass produced beanbags or anything, but buying wallnut shells and
driving over them and then collecting them seem to be a little overdone to
me. Maybe you have something against plastic pellets, I don't know, but I
simply drove over to a factory that produces CD covers, and they have these
pellets in amazingly, astoundly huge quantities. When I explained what I
wanted they were amused and handed me a bucket (plastic bag, of course) full
of the stuff, enough to make 100 beanbags, and told me not to think about
paying them (oh, did I mention my wife's mother works there?). Anyway even
without my wife's mother I'm sure you can buy these for peanuts (if not for
wallnuts) and they come prepared, last forever, don't change their form and
feel very comfortable in a beanbag (at least to me).
Methinks you misread what I said - I said we drove over them to remove the
husks - not the shell. Further up the thread it was also stated that you
can obtain shell, ground for various purposes - and by inference to
different sizes (form sandblasting, pet litter, even used as jet engine
cleaner).
HTH
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